SAMARINDER
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| 29 Dec 2009 04:01 AM |
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Question Click here:
Hi Andy,
I would put that question here in MFG forum. Anyway here is an example of user rep which I had to do when my customer ordered a different tool than it was originally programmed. So I had to recompute the toolpaths and apply user rep to make sure that everything was OK.
I hope it helps you.
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ANDYCAM
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| 04 Jan 2010 12:26 PM |
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Hello Samarinder,
First all my best wishes for the new year.
Thanks a lot for your very appreciate help.
Your example with this disc-miller is very fine but isn't my problem, because the holder is longer as the cutter and with this I have no problems.
My problem is a face-miller !
The cutter of a a Face-Miller is always longer as the holder, but inside of the cutter can be a screw (clamp).
And if you dive in material (3-axis) it is possibly to have a collison because the movement in Z is too hard.
With standard tool in CATIA you can define as MFG_TOOL_CORE_DIAMETER and thats all.
For this problem is clear to define a a zig-zag contour from cutter, but CATIA video-simulation want not work with such user-representation file.
Please have a look on the simplified example .
Thanks again and let me know of anyone solution...
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706JIM Posts:49
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| 04 Jan 2010 02:18 PM |
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Is there somewhere in the online help that shows how to draw a form cutter like this, step by step? |
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SAMARINDER
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| 04 Jan 2010 04:35 PM |
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Make sure you draw counter-clockwise when creatng a sketch profile. Or it could be a bug. See attached image from online help docs.
Or use catproduct as user rep |
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Samarinder Singh CUTPATHCNC |
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DFRANK
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| 04 Jan 2010 04:48 PM |
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Andy,
Your cutter sketch looks self intersecting. Try making the orange part with an ID same as the OD of the non cutting part. Also, check to see if you put the parameter in there for cutter, holder, shank. If I remember, there are 2 ways, on with and one without the params, with one part or an assy.
If you search the MFG part of the docs for user representation, you should find the doc easily Hope this helps Dave
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DAVE SUMM
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| 05 Jan 2010 10:29 PM |
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See the following rules i explained a while back
http://www.coe.org/Collaboration/DiscussionForum/ActiveDiscussions/tabid/210/forumid/5/postid/110640/view/topic/Default.aspx |
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DFRANK
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| 05 Jan 2010 11:29 PM |
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Thanks for sharing the info, and the link Dave, And Happy 2010  Dave |
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Dave Frank Chief Instigator, Pac-Men Group. === Programmers Advising Catia, Make Enhancements Now 
Catia users+Power users+ the COE DPC's+the COE Forum>>> to brainstorm and collaborate = better Catia tomorrow |
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706JIM Posts:49
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| 06 Jan 2010 12:08 AM |
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I can understand how to create the shaft profiles that represent the cutter and the non cutting shank. In other words, I'd be creating a Catia part file that represents this non-standard tool. Will just naming the "shaft" elements "Cut" and "Nocut" tell the system which to use for machining simulation?
Also, once this part file has been created, how does one call it as a resource (as compared to an end mill etc which are default tools within Catia)? I have used the tool bar to call up an end mill, face mill, tap etc tool change, but how to I access this newly created form tool?
This is where I get stuck. |
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DFRANK
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| 06 Jan 2010 12:42 AM |
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Jim,
To add rep, Rt click on the tool in the resources list NC resources >>> Add user representation. you can toggle the file type to part or product.
To get rid of it once it is there, same steps NC resources >>> remove user representation.
Take a look at save summs link, to set paramaters, or check the online docs. The docs spell out the step by step clearly
Also check out the tooling webinar download, for COE members 1. Go to "Events & Education" tab 2. Select "Ask the Experts" webcasts 3. Click "COE Ask the Experts Archive" 4. Click "2009 Webcasts" 5. Click "Manufacturing Tooling Webinar"
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Dave Frank Chief Instigator, Pac-Men Group. === Programmers Advising Catia, Make Enhancements Now 
Catia users+Power users+ the COE DPC's+the COE Forum>>> to brainstorm and collaborate = better Catia tomorrow |
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AUDI_RS4
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| 08 Jan 2010 10:51 AM |
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Hello to all Forum
is just that I attend this forum and I find it very interesting I hope to give me even in my small my contribution.
Returning to the subject matter of discussion I wanted to ask if I understood correctly, if I design in CATIA tool I can then import the. Catprocess and use it and see it in real simulation?
If so, you make me understand step by step how you go because I tried but I can not
hello thank you for your attention
P.S sorry for my English
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ROGER_BOMBASSEI
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| 08 Jan 2010 11:45 AM |
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Try to get to this part of the CATIA documentation
\English\online\mfgug_C2\mfgugbt0415.htm
Or search for "user representation" and pick Material Removal Simulation from the list. |
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Roger Bombassei - Online CATIA MFG Instructor roger@catiaonline.com |
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ROGER_BOMBASSEI
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| 08 Jan 2010 11:45 AM |
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Try to get to this part of the CATIA documentation
\English\online\mfgug_C2\mfgugbt0415.htm
Or search for "user representation" and pick Material Removal Simulation from the list. |
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AUDI_RS4
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| 09 Jan 2010 10:12 AM |
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Hello ROGER_BOMBASSEI
Thanks for the help you gave me, I was able to draw and to see it during function "Replay Tool Patch" and "Starts Simulation Machine", and so far it works correctly
only when I try to do the "Full Video" who want to simulate the stock removal of material gives me a WARNING MESSAGE "Manufacturing Error"
I hope to have been the clearest possible
I am attaching the image error
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DFRANK
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| 09 Jan 2010 10:38 AM |
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The sketch must be closed, meaning all entities trimmed, and no overlaps Try tools + sketch analasys. That will show you gaps also see if you defined the paramaters correctly, per the documentation
Dave |
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Dave Frank Chief Instigator, Pac-Men Group. === Programmers Advising Catia, Make Enhancements Now 
Catia users+Power users+ the COE DPC's+the COE Forum>>> to brainstorm and collaborate = better Catia tomorrow |
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DFRANK
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| 09 Jan 2010 10:42 AM |
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PS you need to be in the sketch to run tools + sketch analasys |
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AUDI_RS4
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| 09 Jan 2010 11:02 AM |
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Hello DFRANK
I have done all the analysis seems to bear but I keep getting the same errors, maybe I just done something wrong
I attach the file. catpart
hello again thanks |
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deepakmanuel
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| 09 Jan 2010 03:01 PM |
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For Tool and Assembly user reps, the profile sketch has to be drawn in a counter clockwise direction for it to work, otherwise you will get an error message..
with kind regards
Deepak Manuel
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ROGER_BOMBASSEI
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| 09 Jan 2010 04:37 PM |
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Thanks for the input deepak. I see the Nocut is defined clockwise. Audi, what makes you want to use a user rep for that shape of tool? The standard cutter definitions are so easy to use. Just curious. |
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ROGER_BOMBASSEI
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| 09 Jan 2010 04:37 PM |
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Thanks for the input deepak. I see the Nocut is defined clockwise. Audi, what makes you want to use a user rep for that shape of tool? The standard cutter definitions are so easy to use. Just curious. |
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DAVE SUMM
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| 10 Jan 2010 04:38 PM |
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From what i can see there are a couple of problems.
1 Use a seperate CATPart for the Cut & NoCut entities 2 Use only one sketch and one shaft 3 As myself and Deepak have mentioned, the sketch must be drawn in an anticlockwise direction |
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