As we all know, there are areas of Catia manufacturing that can be improved.. The mechanism are here for enhancement requests at COE.

We all want to contribute. But I see a lot of frustrated programmers.

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We are all, also very busy, in fact too busy to use this forum as much as we would like.

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I have a proactive plan to do something about it.

What I propose is that create a small private group, and  we communicate thru e-mail, and  phone, net conference, and than get together  with our collective ideas.

I have already gotten positive response from the few users that I have contact info on, and spoken to.

   Dassault will listen. In December 2007, I discussed forming this small group with my Dassault regional sales manager. He assured me, that if I got this group of industry leaders formed, and created an agenda of enhancements needed in our humble opinions, that he would get us an audience with software developers from Dassault. We are thinking, 8-12 programmers is all we need.We all see the same things.

This is how I see starting the group

We can start with some conference calls. (we are all to busy to type in what a  30 minute phone session of ideas could yield ). .   I see doing these teleconferences more than once a year. I think this would be more candid, than putting dirty laundry on the world wide web. (coe forum). I would be private.

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Than we could do a web meeting like the ask the expert. Start with an agenda, and people can press 1 than 4 to talk. every one listens. Or perhaps meet in a centrally located area. I have a free donated conference room in down town LA, thanks to my brothers firm.

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I see these main areas of concern as starting items for an agenda

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(1) Having a way to get better documentation, more information on how the software works. Sometimes I am still not sure if I am doing something correctly, even after reading the doc's and trial and error, using COE. Getting actual insight into areas of confusion., that will lead to embellishment of the documentation.

http://www.coe.org/Collaboration/DiscussionForum/ActiveDiscussions/tabid/210/forumid/5/postid/112992/view/topic/Default.aspx.

(2) Swap a drive surface and other multiaxis flank issues

http://www.coe.org/Collaboration/DiscussionForum/ActiveDiscussions/tabid/210/view/topic/forumid/5/postid/88700/Default.aspx

http://www.coe.org/Collaboration/DiscussionForum/ActiveDiscussions/tabid/210/forumid/5/postid/111901/view/topic/Default.aspx

(3) Improving the roughing routines to be more efficient, (air time) and better controls roughing for titanium.

Roughing Routine enhancements >>

http://www.coe.org/Collaboration/DiscussionForum/ActiveDiscussions/tabid/210/forumid/5/postid/114279/view/topic/Default.aspx

(4) Quality control on upward compatibility to new releases. See if we can get them to maintain programs and do regression testing. so often I hear R17 is buggy, or this service pack messes something up so I had to roll it back.

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(5) More consistency between modules, things that work well in one module, added across the board.

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(6) More tool axis choice between modules. If you want optimized lead, you are forced to use curve following, Add that tool axis to more modules.

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(7) organization of PPR tree for nc programs

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http://www.coe.org/Collaboration/DiscussionForum/ActiveDiscussions/tabid/210/forumid/5/postid/113616/view/topic/Default.aspx

(8) Tools, adapters, holders, as an assembly.

http://www.coe.org/Collaboration/DiscussionForum/ActiveDiscussions/tabid/210/forumid/5/postid/113799/view/topic/Default.aspx

http://www.coe.org/Collaboration/DiscussionForum/ActiveDiscussions/tabid/210/forumid/5/postid/88583/view/topic/Default.aspx

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(9) multipocket 5-axis

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(10) error messages

http://www.coe.org/Collaboration/DiscussionForum/ActiveDiscussions/tabid/210/forumid/5/postid/114145/view/topic/Default.aspx

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(11) tool path computation issues

Hey Samarinder, I used to work at GKN - Bandy.  I'm at GKN - Monitor on Long Island now.

Although, I am not currently in CA, I could possibly make it to a meeting in LA.

Thanks for the invitation Dave, and I hope we can make something of this.

Roger Bombassei
rbombassei@elcamino.edu
631 741 0835

Yes I looked at Rug's, but that could take years, and cost millions of lives. (a little anamal house lingo)

http://www.coe.org/Collaboration/DiscussionForum/ActiveDiscussions/tabid/210/forumid/2/postid/103323/view/topic/Default.aspx
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I got a RUG startup kit
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over 50 pages
Once I got the part about getting a liability insurance policy, I stopped in my tracks.
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This is for people with good Ideas and no time.
I work 3400 hours a year also.
We should not need to go to Orlando, or wait once a year.
I want to, and probably will.
but what about the guys who can't
what about the guys that are pulling 12-15 hour days.
They don't want to type all their Ideas in.

I hope The DPC guys help out also.
I am not trying to go around them.
I hope they can set up the live meeting with My DS guy.
Just simplify the process, and get us to join heads, like we all worked in the same company, and we sitting in a conference room.

We can do it.
we have the technology

Dave - A lot of the stuff in the RUG Startup Kit are templates, so in case you are really organizationally compulsive, you don't have to recreate these things.  Although COE has no real affiliation with any RUG, COE can offer some benefits, which can include:

• Helping you contact other CATIA customers in your region
• Providing trinkets to your attendees
• Providing an easy to use web presence

If you want to investigate further, contact COE HQ, and/or post a question in the RUG discussion area.  Other RUG leaders are typically generous about sharing their lessons learned.

Mr Perlman,
Can you ask Marc Saracco if a web meeting like the ask the expert if feasable?
once I compile some of this, than we can do a "ask the expert user" meeting.

If not, I will look into live meeting.

Eduardo,
Stay tuned. you will be able to participate!! Thru the web, one way or another.

Philip,
wellcom aboard. We now have a band of bifermainia brothers. (you, Roger, and myself)

Dead line ? lets see how this develops. Give others a chance to weight in.
I am looking for 12 angry men, that can't take it anymore.
I hope to do this at least a month before Orlando COE.

I want to use this MFG forum, as much as possible, and permitted.



Don't like to type, Communicate better with your hands in your pockets?
Get and IPOD and make a mp3 and upload it to our FTP site.
Get a camcorder. shoot your Idea, and mail me the dvd
I can call people, record with my Ipod, and have my secretary (Mrs. Frank) key it it.

What I think will work, is to keep Ideas as seperate threads.
I will add the ideas to the list, and editing the starting post, and adding links to threads

That way there will be one plase to look as the top ten grows, and a launch pad for getting to each Idea.

I plan on making some simple parts that demonstrate the features DS will need to bang on.
Any on who wants to volenteer to do one themselves, let me know.

I plan on making a 500 x 500 inch CGR killer part. Lots of volume and features
use the automation to rough and finish. Keep banging till it dies.

Breaks over, gota go
Dave,

Mr. Frank - Please would you communicate with Mark Chitjian and/or Jim Barkelew?  These Volunteers are COE DPC Chairpeople for Manufacturing, and are the ones who deserve the most credit for facilitating the great COE member requirements in the NC field into DS implemented CATIA improvements.  I am hoping that you find that you will want to work together and take advantage of their leadership, rather than create some competing activity.  You can find their contact info by navigating through ABOUT COE tab, Leadership, Development Planning Council. 

Rich

I sense you think I am stepping on COE's toes. Not at all.

COE is doing a great job. especially Mark Chitjian and/or Jim Barkelew

I have seen the breakdown the accompleshed last year, from my friends that got to go to Las Vegas. I am green with envy that I was not there.

This is meant for Dassault. This is a win win.

I met Patrick Merlat, and Patrick Touron at the Delmia show

They told me that they are in the buisness of creating better software to sell.

They want Ideas, thru Coe, business partners, whatever.

Here's the deal

Not everyone has the time, or the inclination to do it the COE way.

Not everyone gets to go to the annual conference.

Not everyone gets to go on the internet.

There are people with good ideas, that don't want to type all this crap in.

a gentleman called me 7am this morning to tell me just that. He is in.

I spoke several others yesterday, that like this approach.

they  want a web live meeting.

you can say in an hour what it takes a day to type.

People are too polite here on the forum

the whole world is watching. They hold back

Privately, they want to scream

They don't want to wait 3 years to swap a drive surface, or get a better tree.

Why cant we use simple apt macro's

Why can't we do more with VBA?

They want to have this discussion more than once a year at coe,

more like every 2-3 months. without getting carpo tunnel syndrome

COE does a top ten. we see 30 things that need immediate attention

NC manufacturing people feel at that rate, the aerospace boom will be over

We need better software now.

Dassault needs to hire a some more developers.

Look, this is similar to walking up to a machinist, and he tells you that tool 22, you have to slow down the feed to 20% in the corners, and the  machine shakes. You ask, why didn't you make out a NC proof report. They say it's too much work to fill out a NCPR, and nothing will probably get fixed anyway, so why bother. Let somebody else do it. I'm busy. I have supervisors that won't fill out a NCPR. They call, or wait until I walk by. "hey dave, did you know that I can't have a Y less than 0  on a g26 e4 ?

I myself, will call my salesman 5 times before I send an e-mail

Nuff  Till Monday

Have a good one