Amrit,

Since you know MFPROG, and UG, I am sure you can contribute some good ideas.

I know that Dassault is wanting to make improvements in all areas, and 5-axis tool control is a high priority. To my knowledge, There is no real equivalent of UG's "Sequential Mill" in V5.

In the broader sense, what is it that you like about "Sequential Mill. It would help if you could document the tools in UG that you are happy with, and since that requires frankness, I think this is a subject for the private COE members only area. I am sure it will spark a hot discussion. I hope you post your ideas there.

A lot of us PAC-MEN, have UG and / or / NCL/APT backgrounds. NCL, like Sequential Mill, give you absolute control of TLAXIS, and cutter path.  I think this is a great topic for a Webinar, after the tools+adapter+holders Webinar, coming up soon.

As far as the Aerospace and defense workshop I will request to go, and hope for the best.

You get three things from these kind of events:

Training

meeting people with similar interests

Seeing new technologies, in the technifair booths, along with the people driving them.

The 2008 Annual Conference and technifair was my first, and my head hurts when looking at what I missed in 2007, etc. I hope I can make it a semi-annual activity.

The return on investment is there

Best regards

Dave

There is a Webinar announcement in the private MFG COE Members only area

 http://www.coe.org/Collaboration/DiscussionForum/ActiveDiscussions/tabid/210/forumid/44/postid/118860/view/topic/Default.aspx

 If you do not know how to get to the private area, please email the COE DPC, and they will take care of it

This Webinar, will demonstrate new features in R19.

 This is the same demonstration they did at 2008 COE annual conference.

 Since not everyone can afford to go to the COE Annual Conference, Dassault generously did this demonstration in a Webinar, with COE a few months ago for everyone. not a lot of people new about it, so only few people attended.

I would like all parties that post on this forum, to make and effort to see this demonstration, especially those people that say over and over that they are disappointed in whatever. I said after COE 2008, that you will want to use R19 as soon as its available, because of all the good stuff in it.

Speaking of disappointed , I am growing increasingly troubled  with people that are ignoring the positive things that I am posting about the progress DS is making. I would wish that before anyone posts a derogatory thread, ask you self, is the criticism realistic?  Did I go to the COE Annual Conference, and see what is coming in R19, and R20? Dassault can not fix every thing they know about before the next service pack, Some patience is required. As commander Spock said, the needs of the many, outweigh the need of the few or the one.

I am real buzy, and have to work Sundays for a few weeks so don't call me and tell me that you just got SP7, and they still did not fix some little bug, near and dear to you.  I don't care. OK,? Actually I do care but there is nothing I can do about it so Chill baby,  it will get done soon enough.

There is a lot of the hard work, being done Dassault MFG Development team

Not to mention, the hard work, the COE DPC,  and the hard work by the members of PACMAN that are proactively contributing requirements and ideas 

Lets be appreciative, optimistic,  respectful. Rest assured that Dassault is listening. At this Webinar, you will see some of the results. Go to COE in Seattle 2009, and see even more in R20.

Who is listening Specifically?  The Director of NC/Manufacturing Development !!!!  The private MFG COE Members only area was setup at the request of Dassault, just for us passionate manufacturing propeller heads, to communicate our ideas and requirements.

Hopefully the next RUG will be soon, and you will get to meet the Manager of the Competency center.

Take care everybody

PAC-MAN is still open for new members

Best regards to all

Dave

Gentlemen,

I've spoken to Patrick Touron (DS development manager for Manufacturing) last week and as Dave has mentioned, he is indeed viewing and paying atttention to all the postings on both the open and private forums. Some of your postings I've submitted as PMRs and Patrick has come up with some very quick fixes. He has also included some enhancements based on your postings...in R18!...but check the private forum to see for yourself.

Dave, I dont think people are ignoring what you are saying about the progress DS is making. Manufacturing types have a tendency to be impatient, they have to get parts out the door! Plus quite a few havent been able to attend the COE conference and DPC sessions to see what is going down. My experience is that in this business, customers have always driven the product, the more they are given, the more they want. Kind of like, "hey, now that you provided me "A", can you give me "B", "C".......? So it never really ends. The product is constantly evolving. I agree, people should make an effort to present their issues in a less emotional or hostile manner, but not to the point where they are discouraged to make any postings. Often the frustration is, that if "Brand X" does it, why cant CATIA do it?

Here in IBM we've gotten a copy of R19, and believe me, you're going to like the enhancements and new functionalities that are in it. Some really cool stuff. DS is definitely listening to the user community.

So, I urge everyone to make an effort to attend the DS Webinar scheduled for Friday, October 3.

Watch the Private Forum for more details on the Webinar.....AND Keep Posting!!

Thanks Dave and Mark for the heads up about R19... Looking forward to the Webinar on Oct. 3. Count me in Please and email me whatever is needed to join in.

Phil

Dave,

I will tell you the little I know about it.

V6 will allow multiple in different locations to access files and run Catia, working on models ant yet another location. So you and Steve Beach, and I can work on the same model, even though I am on the left coast, Steve is on the right coast, and you are down under. I saw at COE, 3 guys manipulating the same model at the same time, on a computer at France. 

The CEO of Catia said that there is no rush to go to V6, whereas at Delmia conference, he said about Delmia, "Started yet? yes? go faster, No?, get going !!!

We were told at the last So Cal RUG, that MFG does not need to V6, until the parts they are machining are designed in V6. I don't know what kind of parts you are working on, but we are aero, so all the planes are designed in V5, or V4, so I personally do not have V6, on my radar, today.

I not positive, but it looked like you don't need to even install Catia, for v6. You access the software, and to models, from the internet. If I am wrong about any of this, someone please correct me.

Who is Ely Manning? That's my favorite teams Quarterback.

Any football fans down under, not the round football but the pig skin?

Best Regards

Dave

Gentlemen,

I've been playing with V6 here for the past month or so and a major change is that it is no longer a "file" based system. The old notion of files are now called "objects" and are stored in a database. The actual CATIA code is stored locally on your machine, but all data is stored "remotely" on the database. If any of you oldtimers remember the old mainframe days where all the files were stored remotely, it is very similar to that.

Files as we used to know them are called either "products", or "representations". There are many other object names, but for most of us manufacturing types we'll be dealing with those two objects. What you'll find initially the most challenging is learning how to navigate all the objects in the database. There are various search techniques to learn, since there is no longer a "File/open" command available. That is what I found to be the most different from V5. You create a product/object, save it, but then trying to find it requires entirely different techniques.

As far as manufacturing being in V6, it is all there, except that everything is under DELMIA. So you can load CATIA code, but you wont see any manufacturing workbenches until you load the manufacturing from DELMIA. Interestingly, when you launch CATIA V6, if you have the DELMIA code loaded you will see the manufacturing workbenches. You can also launch CATIA using the DELMIA icon and get everything too. I'm not quite sure how everything is going to be packaged for the end users, since at IBM we have the "all in one" license which grants us access to the entire CATIA suite of products.

Once you get past the database, the manufacturing workbenches look, feel and work the same as V5. All the manufacturing docs are found under DELMIA. I dont see any major differences in what you are used to now. So you should not require any retraining as far as I can see.

To reiterate, the major change in V6 is the database and the way data is stored. Once you get into the functional CATIA workbenches, the NC looks pretty much the same. The database has to be installed and configured and is not a small task. We've been told by DS that there should be an "express" or "light" edition of V6 for the smaller users in the future.

To Dave - Thanks so much for facilitating this great discussion and the upcoming webinar.  Also Thanks to Patrick Touron from DS for joining the team, and adding his insight and knowledge.

To all not-yet-COE-members - If you go to www.coe.org, you will find a link to our free corporate membership offer, effective through the end of 2008.  Upon approval of your application, which can take about a week, you will be able to participate in many more of COE's member benefits, including the upcoming MFG webinar and the MFG private forum.  When applying, please make sure to use your company domain email, not a gmail, yahoo or other anonymous account.

There will be no obligation to become a paying member in 2009, but yes, we will be sending you an invoice in hopes that by then you will have found that the value of COE membership exceeds the cost of annual dues.

Very Cool

I have just e-mailed my contacts at IBM, Rand, Incat, TGS, Cenit, and Icam

I have suggested they spam their user database of MFG power users, with the news.

Best Regards

Dave

 All PACMEN sould have received and invitation from Dassault. Anyone else, send me your e-mail and I will foward it to Dassault. 

Web Seminar Machining:

What’s new and great in CATIA V5 release R19

Three sessions available:

Friday, October 3rd @ 9:00 AM and 5:00 PM (CEST, Paris time)

Monday, October 6th @ 10:30 AM (CEST, Paris time)

Dave,

In your September18th post you said the webinar announcement was in the COE members area. Is the webinar COE members only or can we tell anyone about it so they can join in?

Richard

Richard

This will by done from Dassault, in France
A gentlmen by the name of Olivier Huron, will be doing the Demo

This is open to all Catia users, I think the powerpoint will be available, once R19 is released. You may need to be a COE member for that. I don't know.

Dave

I just called and spoke to DS development manager Patrick Touron about who he would offer an invitation to the Webinar.

He is encouraging all persons using V5 manufacturing products to attend the Webinar. He has requested that anyone interested attending, send me his company name, e-mail id, and a brief description of how they are using V5 in their organization. I will then forward the information to Patrick, if he finds it acceptable, he will send you an invitation. He does not mean to exclude anyone, but wants to ensure that any competitors are not invited.

The Webinar will cover R19 enhancements and new functionalities in the manufacturing products. Due to the number of people attending and amount of material to be covered, an open discussion of topics will not be possible. I have an advance copy of R19 and there quite a few "goodies" in it.

So in a nutshell......

1. Send me your company name and how you are using V5.

2. I will submit the information to Patrick

3. DS will send you an invitation

Mark

Thanks for taking over.

I posted here because I know Mr. Touron wants all Catia Manufacturing users to see the demo, and I know there are few people that monitor the Manufacturing Forum - (COE Members Only) discussion forum,  as compared to the DS users out there.

All people I e-mailed directly, please provide Dassault the info requested, thru Mark, the COE DPC co-chair.

Thanks all

Dave

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I will be attending the same presentation as Steve & Phil. No twin 24"s here though... guess I'll have to squint