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Subject: screw inserting in assembly

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MARCOFA

18 Sep 2008 01:20 PM

To draw in Autocad many screw and bolt in an assembly I created a components ( Bolt + washer + washer + nut ) database to copy and paste . Different composition i.e. distance from bolt head and nut 10, 15, 20, 25, 30 mm was designed and stored.
In Catia v5 to insert in an assembly many bolts with washer and nut is very hard: bolt constrains + washer constrains + washer constrains + nut constrains.

There is a clever system to save time and energy?
Marco

BUSTERCHOPS


18 Sep 2008 01:28 PM
You can make your own library of parts. Assemble each of the bolt sizes with there respective washers and nut then save the product as a cat part then file in your "Catalogue Browser" Each time you bring it up all you have to do is two constraints for each bolt instead of you current eight.
SKWOK

18 Sep 2008 03:02 PM

Marco,

A good solution is to utilize the "Reuse Pattern" assembly command. If you created your part with rectangular, circular, or user patterns, you can simply install one piece of hardware, and then use "Reuse Pattern" to place the rest. Just make sure you constrain the first set of hardware to the original hole instance. Alternatively, if you do not have patterns in your part, you will probably have to use "Define Multi-Instantiation" and constraints. Obviously it's better to have patterns to work with...


Steven Kwok
PLM Solutions Consultant
CATIA V5 Instructor
TechniGraphics Inc.
CATIA V5 R16/17/18/19
CATVBA
VB 6.0
Visual Basic .NET 2003/2005
MARCOFA

19 Sep 2008 06:33 AM

To Busterchop

This is not different from what I do now in Autocad, but in this case in Catio there is no possibilities to update when I change the connected parts thickness. Bolt head and nut distance cannot be updated.

Others Ideas?

Marco

MARCOFA

19 Sep 2008 06:37 AM

To SCWOK

Reuse pattern is not the case, read well my post and all answers

Marco

JMCMILLANNA

19 Sep 2008 07:35 AM

Actually, according to your post and all answers, reuse pattern is a perfect solution to save time and energy, if you used a pattern on the parts that the bolts go in.

SKWOK

19 Sep 2008 07:38 AM
Marco,

I don't seem to understand you very well. If you're talking about creating multiple parts quickly, you're probably going to end up dealing with design tables. If you're talking about inserting them into an assembly quickly, it'll probably be constraints + reuse pattern. If you're talking about swapping them out for different sizes quickly, you're probably doing with publications (publish mating face and shaft axis). If you're trying to do all three simultaneously, then you're making assembly design tables and those don't exist that I know of...

Steven Kwok
PLM Solutions Consultant
CATIA V5 Instructor
TechniGraphics Inc.
CATIA V5 R16/17/18/19
CATVBA
VB 6.0
Visual Basic .NET 2003/2005
BUSTERCHOPS


19 Sep 2008 09:02 AM
Marco,
I might not be the most experienced to answer your question others seem to be getter deaper than I have gone. I would assume that if you modified the part thk and your hardware was properly constrained an update should correct for hardware sizing. I have never used the "Reuse pattern" but I am going to try. Maybe I will sit back and listen for awhile.
MARCOFA

19 Sep 2008 09:25 AM

Steven,

The case is "insert into an assembly quickly bolt nut and washer of different size and lenght".

If right understoud I need to operate as following:

1 Create database of BOLTS with washer in many threads and many lenght ( i.e M8x15, M8x20...M10x30, M10x40....and so on

2 Create a database of NUTS with washer M8, M10, ....and so on

3 Insert BOLT with 2 constraint

4 Insert NUT with 2 constraint

5 If there is Pattern , Reuse pattern will be usefull, if not 4 constreint are needed for each connection.

6 If I publish nut and bolt surfaces,when connected parts change constraint are not lost

DAVE SUMM


19 Sep 2008 07:11 PM
use a combination of Instantiate from catalogue and reuse pattern... simple

David Summerscales

Concentric Asia Pacific
MARCOFA

20 Sep 2008 04:22 AM

Sorry Dave,

what is INSTANTIATE ?

can you make a small exemple?

Thanks

Marco

SKWOK

20 Sep 2008 05:55 AM
Marco, that is correct.

As far as I know, that's the most efficient way to do it. And Dave is referring to adding parts from a catalog as opposed to insert existing component. The end result is the same, it's just the storage container (windows file system or catia catalog file) is different. I don't particularly find inserting from catalog any better for hardware, and it has database issues, so I don't do it.

Steven Kwok
PLM Solutions Consultant
CATIA V5 Instructor
TechniGraphics Inc.
CATIA V5 R16/17/18/19
CATVBA
VB 6.0
Visual Basic .NET 2003/2005
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