Phil: I don't agree either...

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Phil: I don't agree either...
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There is no student version of CATIA much less a free student version of CATIA.

Author: Timothy J. Suhr

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Phil: I don't agree either...
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But the problem is that's the price is a JOKE! 150$$(Can) a year!! SolidEgde was offering it to student for FREE!! Engineeing.com are a bunch of thief...

Author: Claude Perron

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Maybe Dassault feel they can afford to slap a high price on it because they feel strong in th market place. And Solid Edge / EDS, on the other side, want to get their product more widely spread. Especially given the recent Ford deal. Essentially booting EDS out and giving Dassault the promise of another huge chunk of the automotive market.
Ian

Author: ian phillips

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Give me a break guys, $150 canadian for software that commercially costs $15,000, that's a 99% plus discount & maybe covers some distribution costs.

Would I spend $US100 for software that makes me more employable - hell yes.

Flame away - I'm putting my flame retardant suit on.

Author: Phil Harrison

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Phil, I agree with you completely ... how much have students spent on Microsoft junk or game software for that matter. Assuming they pay for software at all. Your comments are flame proof.

Author: Steven Burnham

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Phil: I don't agree either...
What kind of license can you get for $15,000? I paid more than $40,000 a few years ago and got a very narrow configuration. This license upgraded to V5 is still about $30,000 according to my IBM rep.

Maybe one question here is what a single-seat license costs to do useful work...and what would a Boeing-class customer pay for the same license config?

Please see my response elsewhere to Eric N. regarding the attitude of DS/IBM toward serious entry-level students seeking information and a usable CATIA install for self-instruction. It would be refreshing for COE to address this long-existing situation in a constructive manner.

Author: Nick Easton

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I don't know about your specific software bundle but a MD2 package isn't 40k. A MD2 should be enough for typical design and drafting. If you do manufacturing or work in specific fields like analysis, advanced surfacing, systems design, etc then the cost definitely goes up in a hurry but a Mechanical Design bundle should suffice for most students. As far as a FREE student version... I have a couple of issues with that. First, what keeps them from profiting on free or even discounted software that myself and most other companies have to purchase? I had to pay the cost of time and money to learn the software, why shouldn't students just getting into CATIA now have that expense? Second, I have been in engineering and also a CATIA instructor for years and in my opinion students shouldn't complain about whether they have the newest release of the software. They are learning a tool to better their chances of surviving in the working world when they graduate. This tool is ever changing and will continuously evolve (and hopefully improve) as technology is advanced. As much as a student pays for tuition and books I just can't understand why anyone would complain about the $100 cost for software? Last I heard the version for students was somewhere around R7 or R8 and within the last 6 months the general availability release (for PAYING customers) has rolled at least two versions to get to R10. Thats not too bad and R7 or R8 are stable enough to LEARN from for what a student needs. Sure you may be able to get a free version of some of the other CAD programs but they are not in the same arena as CATIA, Pro, etc.

CAD jobs using higher end software don't usually pay the same and so you may have to invest a little more if you want to be at that level. If they want to get into a job that uses this tool and with the job market the way it is you really need to know it before you will get job offers. That leaves your choices pretty limited, either you pay the $100 or look for other positions using other software... or get into a company that uses it and learn it as you go.

My 2 cents worth but after 15 years of using, teaching and working with hundreds of others using CATIA I feel my statements are acurate and I am sure there are many others that agree. Phil, can I borrow that suit for a little while, I may need it???


Author: Dave Baldwin

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I think that Claude's point was that the Student Version is behind what the school is using. This means that they can't take their homework back and forth between the school's lab and their own student version. There is also a pretty significant functional difference between R7 and R10. Whole workbenches changed and disappeared (Wireframe became Generative Shape Design 1). If they are being taught R10, trying to use R7 to do your homework could be quite a challenge.

I agree that $150 for the student version is pretty cheap. I remember paying upwards of $60-$80 for engineering textbooks back in 1980 (god I'm getting old!). Albiet, I still have and use some of those books, unlike a software application.

Jim Strawn
Cessna Aircraft Co.
316-517-5851

Author: Jim Strawn

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"The point is they are student and the release is not compatible with the commercial "

I agree this is an issue

Author: Phil Harrison

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Most of my student got catia V5r10 on the web...free but illegal...Dassault didnt get it, too munch $$$ for the student Version so they have to leave with it...

Author: Claude Perron

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